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		<title>By: zxq9</title>
		<link>http://zxq9.com/archives/535#comment-8943</link>
		<dc:creator>zxq9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Business data is indeed fascinating. What beguiles me most about it is how extended business data models always tend to become models of how the real world works -- but not in an OO sort of way. That statement alone is interestingly contrarian in today&#039;s world: &quot;models the real world, but not in an OO way&quot;.

Getting business data right takes effort but the problems and results are fascinating. The time and effort needed to get data straight is a stout argument for sticking to a common POSIX or Unix core so that things can be reliably found in the same places across various systems (or at least a common way of asking the system if and where resources are located!). Large business data models and often the applications built to utilize them seem to rev &lt;i&gt;far&lt;/i&gt; slower than the current pack of central subsystems and kernel APIs do and this is a problem -- just contemplate all the COBOL still running out there! Business customers need the data and applications that they drive to work and don&#039;t really care what OS it runs on, so long as their data doesn&#039;t disappear and business keeps costing less to perform.

My customers are raving mad about the crap Microsoft pulled with Windows 8 and have quite often taken refuge to my Linux systems instead. Great. But now nearly every company paying for Linux development (RH, in particular) is racing to mirror Microsoft&#039;s mistakes! This isn&#039;t helping anyone, not even the people funding the efforts.

The market play can go to whoever provides stability on the business platform -- and that&#039;s true for the OS layer, the virtualization layer, the data interchange layer, the remote filesystem layer, the programming API and even to a large extent the GUI layer. If Mac weren&#039;t so darn expensive or if IBM were to suddenly reactivate the part of its hive-mind that used to know all about consumer OS and interface design then they would clean house readily. Instead we&#039;re left with whatever the (mostly) FOSS community can come up with... and instead of seeing that community concentrate on filling the &quot;great consumer OS&quot; hole we&#039;re utterly distracted by the idea that everything has to be a mobile OS or ever more ridiculous reinventions of the Web.

With a few million in funding I suppose I could support a reduced server-end &quot;data appliance&quot; distro in-house and force a drone army of code monkeys to keep packaging applications across distros X, Y, and Z regardless how ridiculous they each become. That would be a case of &quot;worse is better&quot; and probably make really good money -- too bad I don&#039;t have the funding. Har har!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Business data is indeed fascinating. What beguiles me most about it is how extended business data models always tend to become models of how the real world works &#8212; but not in an OO sort of way. That statement alone is interestingly contrarian in today&#8217;s world: &#8220;models the real world, but not in an OO way&#8221;.</p>
<p>Getting business data right takes effort but the problems and results are fascinating. The time and effort needed to get data straight is a stout argument for sticking to a common POSIX or Unix core so that things can be reliably found in the same places across various systems (or at least a common way of asking the system if and where resources are located!). Large business data models and often the applications built to utilize them seem to rev <i>far</i> slower than the current pack of central subsystems and kernel APIs do and this is a problem &#8212; just contemplate all the COBOL still running out there! Business customers need the data and applications that they drive to work and don&#8217;t really care what OS it runs on, so long as their data doesn&#8217;t disappear and business keeps costing less to perform.</p>
<p>My customers are raving mad about the crap Microsoft pulled with Windows 8 and have quite often taken refuge to my Linux systems instead. Great. But now nearly every company paying for Linux development (RH, in particular) is racing to mirror Microsoft&#8217;s mistakes! This isn&#8217;t helping anyone, not even the people funding the efforts.</p>
<p>The market play can go to whoever provides stability on the business platform &#8212; and that&#8217;s true for the OS layer, the virtualization layer, the data interchange layer, the remote filesystem layer, the programming API and even to a large extent the GUI layer. If Mac weren&#8217;t so darn expensive or if IBM were to suddenly reactivate the part of its hive-mind that used to know all about consumer OS and interface design then they would clean house readily. Instead we&#8217;re left with whatever the (mostly) FOSS community can come up with&#8230; and instead of seeing that community concentrate on filling the &#8220;great consumer OS&#8221; hole we&#8217;re utterly distracted by the idea that everything has to be a mobile OS or ever more ridiculous reinventions of the Web.</p>
<p>With a few million in funding I suppose I could support a reduced server-end &#8220;data appliance&#8221; distro in-house and force a drone army of code monkeys to keep packaging applications across distros X, Y, and Z regardless how ridiculous they each become. That would be a case of &#8220;worse is better&#8221; and probably make really good money &#8212; too bad I don&#8217;t have the funding. Har har!</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Kaidor</title>
		<link>http://zxq9.com/archives/535#comment-8934</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Kaidor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 03:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I learn more about business data problems I have become fascinated with them....

*** Me too!  I worked in firmware development for many years.  Came there from a background of electronics.  We kicked sand on business programmers at the beach.  The only things that interested us were efficient bit-saving code running right next to the hardware.  

   Then I sort of retired from that world and started my own business.  Business problems became much more interesting when they started to eat my life!  So over the past 5 years I have written probably a hundred thousand lines of Perl.

   On my server, I run Slackware - it is indeed very unix-like, and I revel in knowing where stuff is, and in its straightforward architecture that lets me get things done without too much &quot;magic&quot;.

   OTOH, Slackware does not have a good package manager, and for desktops I run Ubuntu.  Because I do not typically hack on my desktops, and prefer that they just work.  Lately though Ubuntu has gone to this really horrible &quot;Unity&quot; interface, and I have to manually regress it to gnome every time I install one.  Might be time to look for a different desktop distribution.
              - Jerry Kaidor]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I learn more about business data problems I have become fascinated with them&#8230;.</p>
<p>*** Me too!  I worked in firmware development for many years.  Came there from a background of electronics.  We kicked sand on business programmers at the beach.  The only things that interested us were efficient bit-saving code running right next to the hardware.  </p>
<p>   Then I sort of retired from that world and started my own business.  Business problems became much more interesting when they started to eat my life!  So over the past 5 years I have written probably a hundred thousand lines of Perl.</p>
<p>   On my server, I run Slackware &#8211; it is indeed very unix-like, and I revel in knowing where stuff is, and in its straightforward architecture that lets me get things done without too much &#8220;magic&#8221;.</p>
<p>   OTOH, Slackware does not have a good package manager, and for desktops I run Ubuntu.  Because I do not typically hack on my desktops, and prefer that they just work.  Lately though Ubuntu has gone to this really horrible &#8220;Unity&#8221; interface, and I have to manually regress it to gnome every time I install one.  Might be time to look for a different desktop distribution.<br />
              &#8211; Jerry Kaidor</p>
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		<title>By: zxq9</title>
		<link>http://zxq9.com/archives/535#comment-5997</link>
		<dc:creator>zxq9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 00:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Vn3v:
Grey-on-grey? If this isn&#039;t enough contrast for you, there is always Lynx. Anyway, I haven&#039;t really given much thought to my blog style settings -- I&#039;ve got other things to deal with. If I catch some time I&#039;ll give the CSS a look, just for you. I did notice just now that links don&#039;t display very prominently, which is a pity, so at a minimum I&#039;ll fix that.

As for &quot;following&quot;. I&#039;m not sure what you mean. If you mean &quot;follow&quot; in the &quot;web-based social networking site&quot; sense then you&#039;ll be disappointed to know that I don&#039;t have a Twitter, Facebook, Google+ or whatever else account -- life is too fragile, fleeting and precious for me to spend my time bothering with artificial friends, SEO boosts or manufactured reality. If you mean &quot;follow&quot; in the sense that I should take what contrastrebellion.com has to say, then you&#039;ll be happy to know that I did give it  (brief) look, and agree completely -- which is why when I find some time I&#039;ll give the CSS a look.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vn3v:<br />
Grey-on-grey? If this isn&#8217;t enough contrast for you, there is always Lynx. Anyway, I haven&#8217;t really given much thought to my blog style settings &#8212; I&#8217;ve got other things to deal with. If I catch some time I&#8217;ll give the CSS a look, just for you. I did notice just now that links don&#8217;t display very prominently, which is a pity, so at a minimum I&#8217;ll fix that.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;following&#8221;. I&#8217;m not sure what you mean. If you mean &#8220;follow&#8221; in the &#8220;web-based social networking site&#8221; sense then you&#8217;ll be disappointed to know that I don&#8217;t have a Twitter, Facebook, Google+ or whatever else account &#8212; life is too fragile, fleeting and precious for me to spend my time bothering with artificial friends, SEO boosts or manufactured reality. If you mean &#8220;follow&#8221; in the sense that I should take what contrastrebellion.com has to say, then you&#8217;ll be happy to know that I did give it  (brief) look, and agree completely &#8212; which is why when I find some time I&#8217;ll give the CSS a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Vn3v</title>
		<link>http://zxq9.com/archives/535#comment-5996</link>
		<dc:creator>Vn3v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with everything you say that I bothered to read, but I have just one question.  Why the grey-on-grey text?  I&#039;ll leave selinux switched on if you&#039;ll follow contrastrebellion.com.  How about it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything you say that I bothered to read, but I have just one question.  Why the grey-on-grey text?  I&#8217;ll leave selinux switched on if you&#8217;ll follow contrastrebellion.com.  How about it?</p>
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		<title>By: mogwa72</title>
		<link>http://zxq9.com/archives/535#comment-3977</link>
		<dc:creator>mogwa72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 12:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everything I&#039;ve dreamed of screaming about you&#039;ve articulated here. Its long, but how could it not be? There&#039;s a lot to cover.

An interesting BSD list thread titled &quot;Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn&#039;t Relevant Anymore&quot; surfaced as a response to the Slashdot story last summer.
There is a post &lt;a href=&quot;http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-July/231896.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; that I think we could all benefit from reading. I know you&#039;re a big fan of SELinux, but he makes a good point on the maintenance model being in question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything I&#8217;ve dreamed of screaming about you&#8217;ve articulated here. Its long, but how could it not be? There&#8217;s a lot to cover.</p>
<p>An interesting BSD list thread titled &#8220;Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn&#8217;t Relevant Anymore&#8221; surfaced as a response to the Slashdot story last summer.<br />
There is a post <a href="http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-July/231896.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> that I think we could all benefit from reading. I know you&#8217;re a big fan of SELinux, but he makes a good point on the maintenance model being in question.</p>
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